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Thanks Dale for the offer, and thanks Hernán for accepting it. I
won't be attending ESUG, but I'm sure you'll have a nice and useful
talk.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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On 7/31/2019 5:26 PM, Dale Henrichs via Cuis-dev wrote:
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<p>haha! let's call it an appointment then:)</p>
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<div dir="ltr">well well well, even I do admire you and so on, I
would not call it a date 😜😜<br>
<div>(we are starting to have fun!!)</div>
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<p>Hernan,</p>
<p>Excellent! It's a date then:)</p>
<p>Dale<br>
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<div> see you at ESUG!, I'm not an expert on Tonel or
FileTree but I'd like to talk about them.</div>
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<div>See you there!</div>
<div>Hernan.</div>
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<div>That's a generous offer and hopefully someone
will be attending to take you up on it.[1] In
the meantime, a quick search returns what
appears to be at least a partial summary of
FileTree vs Tonel: <a
href="https://github.com/pharo-open-documentation/pharo-wiki/blob/master/General/ExportFormats.md"
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<div>[1] While it would help ensure a better
understanding of how things developed, I'm not
sure it would actually change anything. There
has been difference of opinion between the Cuis
and Squeak/Pharo communities pretty much since
day 1 on the subject of package formats, among
other things. My take is that the lack of
convergence on a common solution is due to
fundamental philosophical, rather than
technical, differences.</div>
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<p>I've been following this particular issue
and would prefer not to get into an
email-based discussion of why tonel/filetree
came to be and their relative disadvantages
and advantages ...</p>
<p>However, I will be at ESUG in Cologne and
would love to have a discussion (at a
whiteboard) with one or more members of the
Cuis community to talk things over and see
if there is any common ground to be found
...</p>
<p>Dale<br>
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I don't want to even think of how
github package diff would look like.<br>
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At least they could use <a
href="http://xxx.filetree.st"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">xxx.filetree.st</a>
and <a href="http://xxx.tonel.st"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">xxx.tonel.st</a>
(like we use <br>
<a href="http://xxx.pck.st"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">xxx.pck.st</a>
and <a href="http://xxx.cs.st"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">xxx.cs.st</a>).
Now it is impossible for tools to tell
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whether they are dealing wiht
filetree, tonel, or some other
smalltalk <br>
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<div>They use .properties files to
convey that information. Actually I
think the entire point of these
'exploded' package formats was to make
raw method-level diffs pretty... at
the cost of making the overall package
format quite ugly/cumbersome. Every
time I've had to look at a repo using
those formats, I'm happy you went the
direction you did with package files.
You prioritized the people using the
package files, they continue to
prioritize the tools that manipulate
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