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<p>It is exactly the philosophical argument that I want to avoid via
email:) ... but I do want to understand the philosophical
differences and for that I think a whiteboard discussion is called
for:)</p>
<p>Dale<br>
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<div>That's a generous offer and hopefully someone will be
attending to take you up on it.[1] In the meantime, a quick
search returns what appears to be at least a partial summary
of FileTree vs Tonel: <a
href="https://github.com/pharo-open-documentation/pharo-wiki/blob/master/General/ExportFormats.md"
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<div>[1] While it would help ensure a better understanding of
how things developed, I'm not sure it would actually change
anything. There has been difference of opinion between the
Cuis and Squeak/Pharo communities pretty much since day 1 on
the subject of package formats, among other things. My take
is that the lack of convergence on a common solution is due to
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<p>I've been following this particular issue and would
prefer not to get into an email-based discussion of why
tonel/filetree came to be and their relative disadvantages
and advantages ...</p>
<p>However, I will be at ESUG in Cologne and would love to
have a discussion (at a whiteboard) with one or more
members of the Cuis community to talk things over and see
if there is any common ground to be found ...</p>
<p>Dale<br>
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I don't want to even think of how github package
diff would look like.<br>
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At least they could use <a
href="http://xxx.filetree.st" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">xxx.filetree.st</a>
and <a href="http://xxx.tonel.st" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">xxx.tonel.st</a>
(like we use <br>
<a href="http://xxx.pck.st" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">xxx.pck.st</a>
and <a href="http://xxx.cs.st" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">xxx.cs.st</a>).
Now it is impossible for tools to tell <br>
whether they are dealing wiht filetree, tonel, or
some other smalltalk <br>
format...<br>
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<div>They use .properties files to convey that
information. Actually I think the entire point of
these 'exploded' package formats was to make raw
method-level diffs pretty... at the cost of making
the overall package format quite ugly/cumbersome.
Every time I've had to look at a repo using those
formats, I'm happy you went the direction you did
with package files. You prioritized the people
using the package files, they continue to prioritize
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