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<p>Hernan,</p>
<p>Excellent! It's a date then:)</p>
<p>Dale<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Dale!!
<div> see you at ESUG!, I'm not an expert on Tonel or FileTree
but I'd like to talk about them.</div>
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<div>See you there!</div>
<div>Hernan.</div>
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<div>That's a generous offer and hopefully someone will be
attending to take you up on it.[1] In the meantime, a
quick search returns what appears to be at least a partial
summary of FileTree vs Tonel: <a
href="https://github.com/pharo-open-documentation/pharo-wiki/blob/master/General/ExportFormats.md"
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<div>[1] While it would help ensure a better understanding
of how things developed, I'm not sure it would actually
change anything. There has been difference of opinion
between the Cuis and Squeak/Pharo communities pretty much
since day 1 on the subject of package formats, among other
things. My take is that the lack of convergence on a
common solution is due to fundamental philosophical,
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<p>I've been following this particular issue and would
prefer not to get into an email-based discussion of
why tonel/filetree came to be and their relative
disadvantages and advantages ...</p>
<p>However, I will be at ESUG in Cologne and would love
to have a discussion (at a whiteboard) with one or
more members of the Cuis community to talk things over
and see if there is any common ground to be found ...</p>
<p>Dale<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 9:54 AM Juan
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I don't want to even think of how github package
diff would look like.<br>
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At least they could use <a
href="http://xxx.filetree.st" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">xxx.filetree.st</a>
and <a href="http://xxx.tonel.st"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">xxx.tonel.st</a> (like
we use <br>
<a href="http://xxx.pck.st" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">xxx.pck.st</a>
and <a href="http://xxx.cs.st" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">xxx.cs.st</a>).
Now it is impossible for tools to tell <br>
whether they are dealing wiht filetree, tonel,
or some other smalltalk <br>
format...<br>
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<div>They use .properties files to convey that
information. Actually I think the entire point
of these 'exploded' package formats was to make
raw method-level diffs pretty... at the cost of
making the overall package format quite
ugly/cumbersome. Every time I've had to look
at a repo using those formats, I'm happy you
went the direction you did with package files.
You prioritized the people using the package
files, they continue to prioritize the tools
that manipulate them.</div>
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