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    <p>haha! let's call it an appointment then:)</p>
    <p>Dale<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/31/19 12:56 PM, Hernan Wilkinson
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      <div dir="ltr">well well well, even I do admire you and so on, I
        would not call it a date 😜😜<br>
        <div>(we are starting to have fun!!)</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 4:44
          PM Dale Henrichs via Cuis-dev <<a
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            <p>Hernan,</p>
            <p>Excellent! It's a date then:)</p>
            <p>Dale<br>
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              7/31/19 12:32 PM, Hernan Wilkinson via Cuis-dev wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">Hi Dale!!
                <div> see you at ESUG!, I'm not an expert on Tonel or
                  FileTree but I'd like to talk about them.</div>
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                <div>See you there!</div>
                <div>Hernan.</div>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 31, 2019
                  at 4:22 PM Phil B via Cuis-dev <<a
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                    <div>That's a generous offer and hopefully someone
                      will be attending to take you up on it.[1]  In the
                      meantime, a quick search returns what appears to
                      be at least a partial summary of FileTree vs
                      Tonel: <a
href="https://github.com/pharo-open-documentation/pharo-wiki/blob/master/General/ExportFormats.md"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/pharo-open-documentation/pharo-wiki/blob/master/General/ExportFormats.md</a></div>
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                    <div>[1] While it would help ensure a better
                      understanding of how things developed, I'm not
                      sure it would actually change anything. There has
                      been difference of opinion between the Cuis and
                      Squeak/Pharo communities pretty much since day 1
                      on the subject of package formats, among other
                      things.  My take is that the lack of convergence
                      on a common solution is due to fundamental
                      philosophical, rather than technical, differences.</div>
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                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 31,
                      2019 at 2:50 PM Dale Henrichs via Cuis-dev <<a
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                        <p>I've been following this particular issue and
                          would prefer not to get into an email-based
                          discussion of why tonel/filetree came to be
                          and their relative disadvantages and
                          advantages ...</p>
                        <p>However, I will be at ESUG in Cologne and
                          would love to have a discussion (at a
                          whiteboard) with one or more members of the
                          Cuis community to talk things over and see if
                          there is any common ground to be found ...</p>
                        <p>Dale<br>
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                          7/31/19 10:18 AM, Phil B via Cuis-dev wrote:<br>
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                            <div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 9:54
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                                I don't want to even think of how github
                                package diff would look like.<br>
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                                At least they could use <a
                                  href="http://xxx.filetree.st"
                                  rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true">xxx.filetree.st</a>
                                and <a href="http://xxx.tonel.st"
                                  rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true">xxx.tonel.st</a>
                                (like we use <br>
                                <a href="http://xxx.pck.st"
                                  rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true">xxx.pck.st</a>
                                and <a href="http://xxx.cs.st"
                                  rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true">xxx.cs.st</a>).
                                Now it is impossible for tools to tell <br>
                                whether they are dealing wiht filetree,
                                tonel, or some other smalltalk <br>
                                format...<br>
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                              <div>They use .properties files to convey
                                that information.  Actually I think the
                                entire point of these 'exploded' package
                                formats was to make raw method-level
                                diffs pretty... at the cost of making
                                the overall package format quite
                                ugly/cumbersome.   Every time I've had
                                to look at a repo using those formats,
                                I'm happy you went the direction you did
                                with package files.  You prioritized the
                                people using the package files, they
                                continue to prioritize the tools that
                                manipulate them.</div>
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