<div dir="ltr">well well well, even I do admire you and so on, I would not call it a date 😜😜<br><div>(we are starting to have fun!!)</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 4:44 PM Dale Henrichs via Cuis-dev <<a href="mailto:cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st">cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>Hernan,</p>
    <p>Excellent! It's a date then:)</p>
    <p>Dale<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi Dale!!
        <div> see you at ESUG!, I'm not an expert on Tonel or FileTree
          but I'd like to talk about them.</div>
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        <div>See you there!</div>
        <div>Hernan.</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 4:22
          PM Phil B via Cuis-dev <<a href="mailto:cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st" target="_blank">cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st</a>>
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            <div>That's a generous offer and hopefully someone will be
              attending to take you up on it.[1]  In the meantime, a
              quick search returns what appears to be at least a partial
              summary of FileTree vs Tonel: <a href="https://github.com/pharo-open-documentation/pharo-wiki/blob/master/General/ExportFormats.md" target="_blank">https://github.com/pharo-open-documentation/pharo-wiki/blob/master/General/ExportFormats.md</a></div>
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            <div>[1] While it would help ensure a better understanding
              of how things developed, I'm not sure it would actually
              change anything. There has been difference of opinion
              between the Cuis and Squeak/Pharo communities pretty much
              since day 1 on the subject of package formats, among other
              things.  My take is that the lack of convergence on a
              common solution is due to fundamental philosophical,
              rather than technical, differences.</div>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at
              2:50 PM Dale Henrichs via Cuis-dev <<a href="mailto:cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st" target="_blank">cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st</a>>
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                <p>I've been following this particular issue and would
                  prefer not to get into an email-based discussion of
                  why tonel/filetree came to be and their relative
                  disadvantages and advantages ...</p>
                <p>However, I will be at ESUG in Cologne and would love
                  to have a discussion (at a whiteboard) with one or
                  more members of the Cuis community to talk things over
                  and see if there is any common ground to be found ...</p>
                <p>Dale<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 9:54 AM Juan
                      Vuletich via Cuis-dev <<a href="mailto:cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st" target="_blank">cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st</a>>
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                        I don't want to even think of how github package
                        diff would look like.<br>
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                        At least they could use <a href="http://xxx.filetree.st" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">xxx.filetree.st</a>
                        and <a href="http://xxx.tonel.st" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">xxx.tonel.st</a> (like
                        we use <br>
                        <a href="http://xxx.pck.st" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">xxx.pck.st</a>
                        and <a href="http://xxx.cs.st" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">xxx.cs.st</a>).
                        Now it is impossible for tools to tell <br>
                        whether they are dealing wiht filetree, tonel,
                        or some other smalltalk <br>
                        format...<br>
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                      <div>They use .properties files to convey that
                        information.  Actually I think the entire point
                        of these 'exploded' package formats was to make
                        raw method-level diffs pretty... at the cost of
                        making the overall package format quite
                        ugly/cumbersome.   Every time I've had to look
                        at a repo using those formats, I'm happy you
                        went the direction you did with package files. 
                        You prioritized the people using the package
                        files, they continue to prioritize the tools
                        that manipulate them.</div>
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