<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Todd,</div><div><br></div><div>Your message really resonated with me. I was what you'd call a "Hypercard kid." It was by far my favorite computer program. Though I am a semi-professional developer today, I came to it late in life because of the disconnect between my own early experience and what was out there in the real world. When I tried to study computers officially in school and saw that they were talking about bits and bytes when I already knew how to make buttons, windows, drawings, and interactive games, I became completely deflated.</div><div><br></div><div>It's only in recent years after discovering Smalltalk that I realized the childhood me was actually on the right track and that the outside world has really lost its way.</div><div><br></div><div>All of which is a roundabout (and indulgently biographical) way of saying: I completely agree. There is nothing like Hypercard in the current world. One cannot simply make a Hypercard clone: the original fit so holistically with its mostly offline computing environment, and had almost all the capabilities of that environment. An equivalent system today would require new metaphors, interfaces, modes of interaction, and "ways of scripting."</div><div><br></div><div>Back during the heyday of OS8/9, I half expected the Finder and other front-facing GUI parts of the system to be rewritten in Hypercard. Just imagine: the first line portions of the OS would be inspectable, copyable, and manipulable to users who wanted to go just "one level deeper." Sadly that didn't come to pass. But I think the idea is sound -- a compelling personal computing system should be built of such "layers" that users can peel back if theyfind their current level of interaction too restrictive, or if they feel the need to truly go "one level further." Current OSes miss the mark here. Example: every OS user out there has daily, almost instinctual interaction and knowledge of buttons. Yet in the main OSes, a user cannot easily make their own buttons. Of course, we know that they *could* make their own buttons somehow, but it requires learning a full fledged programming language, extraneous developer tooling, and an entire ecosystem of things that are not the system but are used to build the system. This is, in a sense, completely outrageous. It's like telling someone you want to learn how to build a table, and they say "learn physical chemistry and then construct the table with molecules."</div><div><br></div><div>I had an idea a couple of years back wherein I would recreate the Platinum look in one of the Smalltalks (I got 15% of the way there in Morphic -- can link to repo if interested) and then re-implement Hypercard/Hypertalk atop it (<a href="https://github.com/defano/wyldcard">using this excellent reference implementation/documentation</a>). My plan was to then give some kind of talk where I would demonstrate Hypercard to all the younger CS grads who've likely never heard of it, let alone seen it, while explaining some of its advantages and what has been lost in the intervening years. The "big reveal" would be when I showed them that, in fact, this is not an OS9 emulation, nor a real Hypercard; that if you "peel back" the layer it is all Smalltalk underneath, and that everything is connected and made out of the same computing primordial goo. I had imagined I would pop up a morphic halo or do something else that would have been impossible in true OS9.</div><div><br></div><div>Anyway sorry for the long rant. Talk of Hypercard really gets me going!<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 12:03 PM Todd Blanchard via Cuis-dev <<a href="mailto:cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st">cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">I think HyperCard got closer to this than any other programming (authoring) tool.<div><br></div><div>I was a hard core stack head before I became a professional programmer. I built tons of stacks.</div><div><br></div><div>I build a computer system for a blind user (my grandmother) which included a number of tools that could </div><div>be used without a mouse or screen (keyboard navigation with audio feedback) using a combination of </div><div>prerecorded audio snippets and text to speech (I used the TalkingMoose XCMD) and it could access</div><div>dialup services via a serial port XCMD. I was not yet a trained programmer. I just "made things".</div><div><br></div><div>I have never used a more immediate programming environment where cmd-opt clicking on any screen element popped open the code </div><div>editor for that element.</div><div><br></div><div>I am always hoping to get back to that simplicity and immediacy but nothing every quite makes it.</div><div>If you were ever in the HyperCard community, it was mostly amateurs building their own tools.</div><div><br></div><div>To a large extent, I think web browsers have taken its place but working in a web browser is a tangle of files and ugly syntax</div><div>loaded with distracting clutter. But it is still approachable by dedicated amateurs.<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jun 15, 2020, at 1:09 AM, Hilaire Fernandes via Cuis-dev <<a href="mailto:cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st" target="_blank">cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Nowadays, I'd be interested by someone who has a concept for<br>hypermedia live programming (i.e. allowing a computation to start on a<br>page, and use that computation context for the following alternatives<br>pages in a wiki like setup) even if I think nowadays that teaching<br>programming is shortsighted...<br></blockquote><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">I think programming is something we are all interested, but we want it to be mixed in media as you described it</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>-- <br>
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