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    On 8/18/2020 12:28 AM, Phil B via Cuis-dev wrote:
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      <div dir="ltr">OK, sorry about this... I was hoping that getting
        to the latest updates would fix a display damage update bug that
        looks like it was introduced sometime after 4249, but it
        didn't.  Thinking I might have some other issue going on with my
        image, I tried starting with the 4342 image from the repo,
        updated it to 4352, then save and quit.  When I restart the
        image, the entire screen is white until I start forcing display
        damage (bring up the world menu, move windows around etc)... do
        you see this issue?   I'm running sqcogspur64linuxht-20200219 in
        case it matters.<br>
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        <div>Thanks,</div>
        <div>Phil</div>
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    Does the problem persist if you save as new version? If not, just do
    it.<br>
    <br>
    Des the latest image from GitHub (#4342) have the problem? If so,
    please provide the most detailed steps to reproduce you can. Think
    that it's all I have to start understanding the problem.<br>
    <br>
    Can the problem be reproduced again once the image is running? If
    so, again, detailed steps to reproduce, please.<br>
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    Thanks,<br>
    <br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 11:10
          PM Phil B <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:pbpublist@gmail.com">pbpublist@gmail.com</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">Juan,
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            <div>Ahh!  That was the clarity I needed... it never
              occurred to me that the issue would be that we were saving
              the image using subtly different methods and that would
              result in the different behavior.  Now I get it and it's
              working.
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              <div>Thanks,</div>
              <div>Phil</div>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at
              10:04 PM Juan Vuletich <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:JuanVuletich@zoho.com" target="_blank">JuanVuletich@zoho.com</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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              <div bgcolor="#ffffff"> On 8/17/2020 9:18 PM, Phil B via
                Cuis-dev wrote:
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                    <div dir="ltr">Juan,</div>
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                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 17,
                        2020 at 7:06 PM Juan Vuletich <<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:juan@jvuletich.org"
                          target="_blank">juan@jvuletich.org</a>>
                        wrote:<br>
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                        <div bgcolor="#ffffff"> On 8/17/2020 2:36 PM,
                          Phil B via Cuis-dev wrote:
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                            <div dir="ltr">I tried updating straight
                              through from 4322->4351 (i.e. ignoring
                              the message on 4342 saying I need to
                              restart, since that would be the only way
                              to avoid hanging after 4342) </div>
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                          No, the message says you "need to restart the
                          image update". Transcript shows: 'Please
                          restart [Install New Updates].'<br>
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                      <div>Right, but the issue is if I save and quit,
                        the image hangs on restart.  I didn't expect it
                        to work, but even with your revised 4342, I'm
                        still stuck trying to restart after 4342 is
                        applied.</div>
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                            <div dir="ltr">but it still white screens
                              for me on restart.  Does the world state
                              fix need to be applied either right before
                              or right after 4342? (I'm OK with a manual
                              step if fixing it in the update changesets
                              isn't feasible, I just need to know what
                              the fix is and when to apply it)</div>
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                          The fixes I did were to add a Delay wait in
                          #4342, and the new #4350. But there is no need
                          to apply them by hand. Just restart the update
                          install.<br>
                          <br>
                          So, don't exit the image. Just do World /
                          Changes... / Install New Updates. That should
                          load the new updates, up to #4351. After that,
                          saving and restarting should work.<br>
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                      <div>You see the contradiction, right?  If I'm
                        starting from 4322, and per your previous
                        statement, I *must* save and quit after 4342 so
                        I can restart.  However, at that point things
                        hang so I can't apply anything after that.  I
                        was going straight through thinking 'this is the
                        only way I can see to accomplish what Juan's
                        saying... despite the update telling me
                        something different'   So I've tried both
                        restarting after 4342 as well as going straight
                        through: neither results in a working image for
                        me.</div>
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                No contradiction. Just misunderstanding. I'm doing it
                again right now:<br>
                <br>
                - Start the image you provided, (previously added a copy
                of an updated CoreUpdates/ folder).<br>
                - Open the World menu / Changes... / Install New Updates<br>
                - Enter initials: jmv. Confirm it's me. Accept the
                warning.<br>
                - Wait a sec until update #4342 is installed, and
                Transcript says "Please restart [Install New Updates]."<br>
                - Open the World menu / Changes... / Install New Updates<br>
                - Updates up to 4351 get installed.<br>
                - Save as New Version.<br>
                - Quit<br>
                <br>
                Saved image starts without problem.<br>
                <br>
                I found that if instead of Save as New Version, you just
                Save and Quit, the resulting image can't start. I just
                added another update to GitHub for that case.<br>
                <br>
                Please try again now.<br>
                <br>
                Thanks,<br>
                <pre cols="72">-- 
Juan Vuletich
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
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