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Hi Stephen,<br>
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On 12/13/2022 3:47 PM, Stephen Travis Pope via Cuis-dev wrote:
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Hello colleagues,
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<div>Thank you for taking the time to respond and address my
concerns.</div>
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<div>As one who is new to Cuis, the ease of learning your class
library is important to me, and having many method categories
(AKA protocols) that don’t follow the traditional naming
convention is not at all helpful. Worse, it leads one to browse
in “all” mode, which means it takes much longer to find things.</div>
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Method categories can surely be enhanced in the base image. Of
course, contributions are welcome.<br>
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<div>The system supports method properties, so why not use these
for the package-ID? The browser could of course support them…</div>
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WRT method categories of methods in packages, it is perfectly
possible to use , for instance, '*PackageName-accessing' as a method
category. The browser could (at the user request) to show such
methods in the regular 'accessing' category. I think this would be a
better option.<br>
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<div>On Dec 12, 2022, at 6:46 AM, Juan Vuletich
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improve our tools, and discussing issues and options is
important.<br>
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Still, in this case, I find it valuable to see in the
browser that some method belongs to a package. It means
it can not be freely used, being safe only for packages
that declare the first as a requisite.<br>
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WRT simplicity, yes, it is perhaps the main focus for
Cuis itself.<br>
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<div>I have to say, though (sorry), that it’s
unacceptable, since the system is supposed to be
“easily discoverable,” and forcing classes to have a
load of unnecessary method categories (AKA
protocols) (like the current system’s
“CampSmalltalk” protocols) makes it harder for
newbies to learn it. Should a popular system class
(e.g., OrderedCollection) now have 5 “XXX-printing”
protocols for the different packages that the user
has installed? Is there another option? Should we
build a package manager that allows one to browse
the system and drag’n’drop categories, classes and
methods into a package?</div>
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<div>Sorry to be critical, but I was one of the first
people (1987-94) to teach Smalltalk on a larger
scale to paying customers, so simplicity is
important…</div>
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<div dir="auto">Hi Stephen,</div>
<div dir="auto">A package can overwrite a
method in a system class or in a class from
other package it depends on. For example if
you package name is ‘Siren’ you have to put
the new method in a message category
starting with ‘*siren’, such as
‘*siren-printing’, etc (or
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2 Dec 2022 at 10:30 Stephen Travis Pope
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Oh, I forgot one other question: Is
there a way to merge packages, or are
they bound to system class
categories?
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<div>Siren has many categories, and
the Package tool implies that
merge/delete is an option. It’d be
great if one could select multiple
packages and merge them.
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<div>I did figure out that I can
make one package that has the all
other categories in its group as
prerequisites.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>How does one add random system
class changes to a package?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Is it possible to make a
package with a class that’s in a
system category (i.e., one with
other classes in it that aren’t in
the package)?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>…any replies appreciated…</div>
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Juan Vuletich
cuis.st
github.com/jvuletich
researchgate.net/profile/Juan-Vuletich
independent.academia.edu/JuanVuletich
patents.justia.com/inventor/juan-manuel-vuletich
linkedin.com/in/juan-vuletich-75611b3
twitter.com/JuanVuletich</pre>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
Juan Vuletich
cuis.st
github.com/jvuletich
researchgate.net/profile/Juan-Vuletich
independent.academia.edu/JuanVuletich
patents.justia.com/inventor/juan-manuel-vuletich
linkedin.com/in/juan-vuletich-75611b3
twitter.com/JuanVuletich</pre>
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