<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div><br></div>Remember, as we used to say, “when Smalltalk was little, she thought she was an operating system.”<div><br></div><div>stp<br><div> <meta charset="UTF-8"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline" style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-size: 16px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; 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A process may run for, say 3 years, and be taken down by "live failover" when the server hardware is upgraded. This is very much opposite to the Unix philosophy of "Processes are cheap. If one misbehaves, kill it and spawn a new one".<br><br>In this environment, live code update is also a requirement.<br><br>For our development team, the better choices at the time were Smalltalk and Common LISP. The code team was more familiar with LISP, so we chose that. Another way of saying this is "If you can afford to fail, you can write code in any programming language. We can't afford to fail", so our language choices were dictated by the project.<br><br>We did extreme programming (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_programming) which meant pair programming and having unit test cases for every non-trivial function. Delivered project in a year with a team of 5 to 6 simultaneously on Windows NT, Solaris, and Linux with about 2 pages of system specific code. To match our customer base, this worked with multiple web interface technologies and multiple encrypted SQL databases.<br><br>The first thing we did was sit down and write the live failover code.<br><br>So, I have a long term interest in robust, reliable sw development.<br><br>More recent commercial practice is to use "restfull interfaces", e.g. see https://www.manning.com/books/reactive-design-patterns .<br><br>Now I am most interested in "personal computing", so what makes sense for me?<br><br>The basic advantages of microkernels are discussed by the Minix3 folks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minix_3 ,<br>in particular, live OS update and having a process watching for driver failure and be able to resurrect failed device drivers.<br><br>As I mentioned, Cuis has to live somewhere and having a more robust and minimal/comprehensible OS environment would be a nice home to make.<br><br>A microkernel is minimal and has a basic abstraction of sending messages, which joins well with thinking about a multicore vm. Given all the multicore SoCs these days, this would be really cool to do.<br><br>So, this may be a multi-decade project well beyond my lifetime but is fun to think about and work on. And who knows? The horse may learn to sing! ** ;^)<br><br>Good on ya,<br>-KenD<br>** [ https://www.corps2corporate.com/post/be-patient-be-cool-the-horse-may-learn-to-sing ]<br>-- <br>Cuis-dev mailing list<br>Cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st<br>https://lists.cuis.st/mailman/listinfo/cuis-dev<br></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>