<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div><br></div><div>Hi all, </div><div><br></div>I agree that the simple table comparing Cuis with Squeak and Pharo based solely on the # of classes isn’t helpful, IMHO.<div><br></div><div>To make the contrasts more evident, I’d stress under “Notable Features” something like,</div><div><br></div><div>“The main feature that distinguishes Cuis from its siblings (in addition to its size) is the fact that the Morphic graphical user interface has been reengineered… and TrueType fonts...<br><div><br></div><div>If you want more “Implemented in Cuis” examples for the “Usage” section, why not add Siren (<a href="https://github.com/stpope/Siren9C">https://github.com/stpope/Siren9C</a>), a general-purpose framework for music and sound composition, processing, performance, and analysis</div><div><br></div><div>stp</div><div><div> <meta charset="UTF-8"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline" style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; 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text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"></div> </div> <div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Feb 5, 2024, at 11:47 AM, ken.dickey--- via Cuis-dev <cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div>On 2024-02-05 11:29, Nicolás Papagna Maldonado wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Took a quick look at the draft. I feel like the comparison with Squeak and Pharo can hurt more than help.<br></blockquote><br>How so? Having multiple communities means having multiple points of view. The goalsets of Cuis, Squeak, and Pharo are a bit different.<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Personally, I'd love the communities to be more connected.<br></blockquote><br>..but not compared? ;^)<br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">For instance we cannot develop we apps in Cuis and iirc Pharo comes with its own HTTP server (so the comparison isn't that fair).<br></blockquote><br>I am comparing class counts in the base images for each release.<br><br>Having a small base and composable Features is a big difference for Cuis!<br><br> `Feature require: 'WebClient'.`<br><br>Refactoring to remove unneeded code -- muda* -- is expensive but critical.<br><br>Would a new user prefer to learn ~700 classes (Cuis) or ~10,000 Classes (Pharo)?<br><br>The differences, IMHO, are important!<br><br>$0.02<br>-KenD<br><br>* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muda_(Japanese_term)<br>-- <br>Cuis-dev mailing list<br>Cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st<br>https://lists.cuis.st/mailman/listinfo/cuis-dev<br></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>