<div dir="ltr"><div>I'd also like to cite the <a href="https://www.clubsmalltalk.org/2010/07/juan-vuletich-working-for-simplier-and.html">interview with Juan</a> that was shared recently here.<br><br></div>In later years, 've seen that it is customary in Wikipedia to snapshot all the URLs at the wayback machine and link to those snapshot URLs instead, while also providing the original as alternative. Maybe it is already taken care of automatically by Wikipedia templates. It's been a long time since I've tried my hand at editing an article there.<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 at 17:41, Ezequiel Birman <<a href="mailto:ebirman77@gmail.com">ebirman77@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Everyone seems to agree that the focus should be adjusted in producing a text that passes wikipedians' scrutiny; but I also think that this won't hinder our ability to write a reasonably good quality article.<br><br></div>I copy from <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-dpVKQ7ojJfq49ftc5kvws605NJNN7bAlRwF2vz3Yn8/edit#heading=h.5wis6koroxd0" target="_blank">my notes</a> things that I'd like to read:<br></div><div><blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" id="m_-5916571864373208163gmail-docs-internal-guid-8a27ca47-7fff-39dd-082d-9870f75066f0" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Alegreya Sans",sans-serif;color:rgb(67,67,67);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Cuis Variants and applications</span></blockquote><blockquote dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Alegreya,serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Maybe there are more applications worth including, like Erudite, and the Styled Text Editor.</span></blockquote><blockquote dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:14pt;margin-bottom:4pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Alegreya Sans",sans-serif;color:rgb(102,102,102);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Dr Geo</span></blockquote><blockquote dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:14pt;margin-bottom:4pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Alegreya Sans",sans-serif;color:rgb(102,102,102);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Cuis University</span></blockquote><blockquote dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:14pt;margin-bottom:4pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Alegreya Sans",sans-serif;color:rgb(102,102,102);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Haver</span></blockquote><blockquote dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:14pt;margin-bottom:4pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Alegreya Sans",sans-serif;color:rgb(102,102,102);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Arrows</span></blockquote><blockquote dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:14pt;margin-bottom:4pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Alegreya Sans",sans-serif;color:rgb(102,102,102);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">LiveTyping</span></blockquote><blockquote dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:16pt;margin-bottom:4pt"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Alegreya Sans",sans-serif;color:rgb(67,67,67);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">The Dynabook</span></blockquote><blockquote dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:16pt;margin-bottom:4pt"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Alegreya Sans",sans-serif;color:rgb(67,67,67);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">What differentiates Cuis from other Smalltalk distributions?</span></blockquote><blockquote dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:16pt;margin-bottom:4pt"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Alegreya Sans",sans-serif;color:rgb(67,67,67);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Future plans</span></blockquote><blockquote dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:14pt;margin-bottom:4pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Alegreya Sans",sans-serif;color:rgb(102,102,102);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Release plan</span></blockquote><blockquote dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:14pt;margin-bottom:4pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Alegreya Sans",sans-serif;color:rgb(102,102,102);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Sponsorship</span></blockquote><blockquote dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:14pt;margin-bottom:4pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Alegreya Sans",sans-serif;color:rgb(102,102,102);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Image bootstrapping</span></blockquote><blockquote dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:14pt;margin-bottom:4pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Alegreya Sans",sans-serif;color:rgb(102,102,102);background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Precompiled libraries</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It would also be nice to find an excuse to cite Ingalls HOPL paper.</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 at 13:12, ken.dickey--- via Cuis-dev <<a href="mailto:cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st" target="_blank">cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 2024-02-06 04:09, H. Fernandes via Cuis-dev wrote:<br>
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> IMHO, your rewrite miss the needed neutral tone for a wikipedia <br>
> article. It may be rejected again. Btw, you completely discarded what I <br>
> wrote, trying my best to be neutral.<br>
<br>
Different viewpoint. In your text, I saw no study or article supporting <br>
or quantifying "understandable by human". I was worried that this <br>
statement is not neutral.<br>
<br>
The draft text tries to do this by "Cuis aspiration" with TheCuisBook <br>
referencing the aspiration.<br>
<br>
I like the "Reduction of complexity" sentence, but without comparison <br>
how would one demonstrate this?<br>
<br>
By base image Class count, Squeak is 4x larger than Cuis and Pharo is <br>
3.5x larger than Squeak.<br>
<br>
Without numbers it would be like saying some engine company makes <br>
smaller engines, rather than specifying range of weight or horse power.<br>
<br>
I see that people are worried about this comparison. You are the third <br>
person to point this out.<br>
<br>
Please suggest alternate text. We can ask a reviewer when we submit, <br>
but good to make things best we can first.<br>
<br>
> The article should focus on what Cuis can offer and also make it <br>
> special, with detailled description. There is no much need to write <br>
> about the other Smalltalk and compare with other Smalltalk, this turns <br>
> the article as a marketing/evengelist writing. We can have this type of <br>
> content, but not in Wikipedia<br>
<br>
My blind spot. I see several articles describing Smalltalks and want to <br>
ask "what is different?". Perhaps the wrong question to address in this <br>
context.<br>
<br>
I will also try alternate text to be better.<br>
<br>
Thanks for the insight,<br>
-KenD<br>
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