<div dir="ltr">I'm not sure who you are asking to... as my email is in the to: field, I guess it could be me. <div>In any case, yes I did, many times :-)<div><br></div><div>Cheers!</div><div>Hernan.</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 7:05 PM Andres Valloud via Cuis-dev <<a href="mailto:cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st">cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Have you read the LISP manual yet? Alan Kay cites it all the time.<br>
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On 2/7/24 5:40 AM, Hernán Wilkinson via Cuis-dev wrote:<br>
> The idea is to fix important bugs in the stable release. I think this <br>
> one is an important bug and should be fix in 6.2, in this case keeping <br>
> compatibility (that is, with a different solution to the one used in 6.3).<br>
> <br>
> BTW, I was reading this excellent and timeless paper of N. Wirth from <br>
> 1974, "On the Design of Programming Languages", especially the <br>
> section "Language Design is Decision Making". If you have time, please <br>
> read that section, I think that it summarizes our spirit very well :-).<br>
> Here is the link: <br>
> <a href="https://web.eecs.umich.edu/~bchandra/courses/papers/Wirth_Design.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://web.eecs.umich.edu/~bchandra/courses/papers/Wirth_Design.pdf</a> <br>
> <<a href="https://web.eecs.umich.edu/~bchandra/courses/papers/Wirth_Design.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://web.eecs.umich.edu/~bchandra/courses/papers/Wirth_Design.pdf</a>><br>
> <br>
> Cheers!<br>
> Hernan.<br>
> <br>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 10:13 AM Gerald Klix via Cuis-dev <br>
> <<a href="mailto:cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st" target="_blank">cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st" target="_blank">cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> On 2/6/24 9:01 PM, Juan Vuletich wrote:<br>
> > On 2/6/2024 2:23 PM, Gerald Klix via Cuis-dev wrote:<br>
> >> ...<br>
> >> Juan,<br>
> >><br>
> >> consistency-wise, this all makes sense!<br>
> >><br>
> >> In an implementation that is used for real work,<br>
> >> you should not changes semantics so lightheartedly.<br>
> >><br>
> >> If you really want to do this you should proceed it like this:<br>
> >><br>
> >> For current Cuis 6.3 you should mark these methods,<br>
> >> as "to be deprecated" (by some means yet to be invented).<br>
> >><br>
> >> For Cuis 6.4 you could mark them as deprecated<br>
> >> and write messages to the transcript or bother the user/programmer<br>
> >> with a (Pre)-Debugger.<br>
> >><br>
> >> For Cuis 6.5 or later you may enforce that semantics.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Of course there still will be hue and cry,<br>
> >> but people had their time to adapt and<br>
> >> after a lot of complaining, event I would have found<br>
> >> a way to live with it :)<br>
> >><br>
> >> Now I am in the middle of an important project (money-wise)<br>
> >> and I have to deal with that – ah, äm, well – shit!<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> I hope you understand,<br>
> >><br>
> >> Gerald<br>
> ><br>
> > These changes are being done in the Rolling Release. If you expect<br>
> > stability, and compatibility issues only when you are ready to face<br>
> > them, you'd use the Stable Release.<br>
> ><br>
> > See<br>
> ><br>
> <a href="https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev/blob/master/Documentation/CuisReleaseProcess.md" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev/blob/master/Documentation/CuisReleaseProcess.md</a> <<a href="https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev/blob/master/Documentation/CuisReleaseProcess.md" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev/blob/master/Documentation/CuisReleaseProcess.md</a>><br>
> > vs.<br>
> ><br>
> <a href="https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis6-2/blob/main/Documentation/CuisReleaseProcess.md" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis6-2/blob/main/Documentation/CuisReleaseProcess.md</a> <<a href="https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis6-2/blob/main/Documentation/CuisReleaseProcess.md" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis6-2/blob/main/Documentation/CuisReleaseProcess.md</a>><br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks,<br>
> ><br>
> This document does not say anything about bug fixes.<br>
> I presume this #copyFrom:count bug will stay in Cuis 6.2 until hell<br>
> freezes over.<br>
> Needless to say, that I don't like this either.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Best Regards,<br>
> <br>
> Gerald<br>
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