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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I think that one motivation for
ProtoObject was to make minimal objects that did not break
low-level debugging tools -- ProtoObject would understand enough
messages that inspectors would not break.<br>
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This is no longer necessary. The mirror primitives allow one to
write an inspector that sends no messages to the inspected object
until it's sure they will be understood. The Cuis inspector looks
like it's using the mirror primitives, which is good.<br>
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IMHO, ProtoObject should be removed. <br>
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If debugging tools are carefully written, it's not needed. If
debugging tools are <i>not</i> carefully written, ProtoObject is
not sufficient. Example: Pharo. There, ProtoObject has far too
many methods (over 50) and yet there are not enough methods to
make the tools work. In writing a forwarding proxy object a couple
of years ago, our team found that subclasses of ProtoObject would
severely break the inspectors, and we ended up having to subclass
Object.<br>
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Regards,<br>
-Martin<br>
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is that a goal? Who decided? On what basis?<br>
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On 6/12/24 07:06, Hernán Wilkinson via Cuis-dev wrote:<br>
> one of the goals of ProtoObject is not to sublass nil<br>
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