<html><head><style id="css_styles" type="text/css"></style></head><body><div><br /></div> <div> <div>On 22-Jun-24 4:01:06 AM, "lewis--- via Cuis-dev" <<a href="mailto:cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st">cuis-dev@lists.cuis.st</a>> wrote:</div></div><div><br /></div> <div id="x405daaafacbd4dc" style=""><blockquote cite="3a0584e16b495a4d3c9fff30b9e6668d@mail.msen.com" type="cite" class="cite2" style="font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <p>This is a really good video conversation. </p></blockquote><font face="Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><div id="x405daaafacbd4dc" style=""><span><br /></span></div>Great indeed!</span></font></div><div id="x405daaafacbd4dc" style=""><font face="Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br /></span></font><blockquote cite="3a0584e16b495a4d3c9fff30b9e6668d@mail.msen.com" type="cite" class="cite2" style="font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><p>Juan explains Smalltalk and Cuis from first principles, with historical context and highlighting perspectives</p></blockquote><font face="Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><div id="x405daaafacbd4dc" style=""><span><br /></span></div><div id="x405daaafacbd4dc" style=""><span>I'm not sure I understand the part about "knowledge" though: "Write, describe, communicate knowledge" - what does it mean exactly? Is it about Smalltalk as a language? The language itself is not that different from other (high-level) languages. A good language certainly is a great help to formulate things but it's still a "programming language". </span><span>I guess there more to it I didn't get :) </span></div></span></font><font face="Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><div id="x405daaafacbd4dc" style=""><span><br /></span></div><div id="x405daaafacbd4dc" style=""><span>Or is it about the whole concept including the live "OS-like" environment? But where the "writing knowledge" fits in?</span></div><div id="x405daaafacbd4dc" style=""><span><br /></span></div><div id="x405daaafacbd4dc" style="">Other question - Smalltalk was originally supposed to be the universal environment above the hardware level. Everything below the VM is the hardware (a machine language), everything above the VM is Smalltalk (the UI, apps...). Even the VM is written in a simplified Smalltalk (Slang); what was supposed to be the role of C - to stay as an intermediary between the Smalltalk level and the hardware or was (is?) it supposed to be eliminated somehow eventually?</div><div id="x405daaafacbd4dc" style=""><br /></div><div id="x405daaafacbd4dc" style="">And one more note about "easy to use, intuitive, for children" - this refers to the DynaBook concept, right? Smalltalk as a language is a lot of things but certainly not those things :) Simple syntax doesn't mean simplicity but it thank god it saves me from remembering tons of syntactic rules :) Anyway, many thanks for explaining the DynaBook concept!</div><div id="x405daaafacbd4dc" style=""><br /></div><div id="x405daaafacbd4dc" style="">Thanks again for the great talk!</div><div id="x405daaafacbd4dc" style="">best,</div><div id="x405daaafacbd4dc" style="">Jaromir</div><br /></span></font><blockquote cite="3a0584e16b495a4d3c9fff30b9e6668d@mail.msen.com" type="cite" class="cite2" style="font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><p> that may not be obvious even to experienced Smalltalkers.</p> <p>Highly recommended.</p> <p>Dave</p> <div></div> <p><br /></p> <p id="reply-intro">On 2024-06-19 23:21, Mark Volkmann via Cuis-dev wrote:</p> <blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left: #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0" class="cite"> <div id="replybody1"> <div dir="ltr"> <h1 class="v1gmail-style-scope v1gmail-ytd-watch-metadata" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; background-image: none; background-position: 0% 0%; background-size: auto; background-repeat: repeat; background-origin: padding-box; background-clip: border-box; word-break: break-word; font-family: Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 2.8rem; overflow: hidden; max-height: 5.6rem; display: -webkit-box; text-overflow: ellipsis; color: rgb(15, 15, 15);"><span class="v1gmail-style-scope v1gmail-ytd-watch-metadata" style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">This just came out today. Great job Juan!</span></span></h1> <h1 class="v1gmail-style-scope v1gmail-ytd-watch-metadata" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; background-image: none; background-position: 0% 0%; background-size: auto; background-repeat: repeat; background-origin: padding-box; background-clip: border-box; word-break: break-word; font-family: Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; line-height: 2.8rem; overflow: hidden; max-height: 5.6rem; display: -webkit-box; text-overflow: ellipsis; color: rgb(15, 15, 15);"><span class="v1gmail-style-scope v1gmail-ytd-watch-metadata" style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">See Cuis Smalltalk and the History of Computing's Future (with Juan Vuletich) at</span></span></h1> <div><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sokb6zZC-ZE&t=3105s" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sokb6zZC-ZE&t=3105s</a></div> <div> </div> <span class="v1gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br /> <div class="v1gmail_signature" dir="ltr"> <div dir="ltr"> <div> <div dir="ltr"> <div> <div dir="ltr"> <div dir="ltr"> <div><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">R. Mark Volkmann</span></div> <div><span style="font-size: 12.8000001907349px;"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Object Computing, Inc.</span></span></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <br /> <div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace"> </div> </blockquote> </blockquote></div> </body></html>