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Hi Mark,<br>
<br>
That is very much appreciated. I hope your book will be very useful
for other people new to Cuis and Smalltalk!<br>
<br>
As you prepare material for your book, please keep in mind
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev/blob/master/Documentation/AboutCuis.md#the-philosophy-behind-cuis">https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev/blob/master/Documentation/AboutCuis.md#the-philosophy-behind-cuis</a>
and <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/smalltalk.html">http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/smalltalk.html</a>
. These explain the ideas behind Smalltalk, and knowing about them
from the start will be a great help when trying to understand any
part of the system. They also explain why it is much better to learn
the tools to explore the system that it is to ask someone questions.
Asking questions is of course OK, but if you succeed in finding the
answer before asking, your benefit is much bigger.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
On 10/20/2024 8:34 PM, Mark Volkmann via Cuis-dev wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAFfRWnU5xSpzwAoy0-LeoS0qra3zcBev_m8LNH-0+AKCR=fGKA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">I apologize if the way I worded my question came
across as rude. That was certainly not my intent. I think I
should explain why I've tried to be a part of the Cuis
Smalltalk community for the past eight months or so.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I'm pretty new to Smalltalk and it turns out I love it.
And so far Cuis Smalltalk is my favorite distribution.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Early in my learning I had a lot of beginner questions
for which I failed to easily find answers. So I frequently
asked questions on this mailing list. Over time I learned
that doing that is frowned on and there is a high
expectation that beginners will read through the source code
and try hard to find answers on their own. I've tried hard
to do that, but haven't always been successful.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I decided that I wanted to help future beginners find the
answers to all the questions I had more easily. So I started
documenting everything I learned about Smalltalk at <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://mvolkmann.github.io/blog/">https://mvolkmann.github.io/blog/</a>
(select Smalltalk in the left nav to see a long list of
subtopics). As you can see, I have spent a large amount of
time on this. It's nothing compared to those of you that
have been contributing to Cuis Smalltalk for years, but I
think it provides a good resource for anyone new to
Smalltalk in general and Cuis Smalltalk in particular.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I do not have a particular app in mind that I want to
build with Smalltalk. Instead I'm constantly thinking about
how I would convince non-Smalltalk developers to give Cuis
Smalltalk a try. A perfect example of that is my
investigation into database access. Many of the developers I
know are web developers. Accessing relational databases is a
fundamental part of implementing most web applications. So I
need to be able to demonstrate how that is done from Cuis
Smalltalk to have any hope of convincing my web developer
friends to try it. As far as I know, based on many searches,
there is not currently a web page that shows step-by-step
how to access a relational database using Cuis Smalltalk. I
want to provide that if I can learn how to do it.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>While some in the community may have been annoyed by the
number of questions I have asked, I do hope there is a
feeling that my presence in the Cuis community has had a net
positive impact. In addition to the documentation I've
created in my blog I have identified a number of minor
issues that have been fixed, contributed a small change set
that added the ability to set a background image in cover
and tile modes, and most recently contributed a library for
implementing web servers that has many advantages over the
WebClient library (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/mvolkmann/Cuis-Smalltalk-WebClientPlus">https://github.com/mvolkmann/Cuis-Smalltalk-WebClientPlus</a>).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I really want to contribute via the documentation I'm
creating and hope that at some point all of that content can
be the basis for a book focused on Cuis Smalltalk.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>P.S. I honestly didn't know that the
Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev/Documentation/Technical directory
existed. Thanks for pointing that out. I'll read that now.</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at
5:48 PM Juan Vuletich <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:juan@cuis.st">juan@cuis.st</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff"> Hi Mark,<br>
<br>
What follows may be an intricate reading involving
language, manners, and how the Open Source world works.
Please read carefully.<br>
<br>
On 10/20/2024 7:31 AM, Mark Volkmann via Cuis-dev wrote:
<blockquote type="cite"> I should have asked “Is it
possible that nobody that uses Cuis Smalltalk in macOS
accesses relational databases?”</blockquote>
<br>
Who knows? Cuis Smalltalk is MIT license you get the whole
system, free for any use, without any obligations. That
means that you are not required to disclose what you do
with it. As a consequence of that, the answer to "it is
possible that nobody that uses Cuis Smalltalk does XXX?"
is true, for any XXX. Does this matter? I don't think so.<br>
<br>
A much better way to react would be something like "Hi
Folks. I'm trying to do XXX. I know the system is fully
open and explicitly designed to make it easy for me to
solve my technical problems, but I'm still unable to do
so. Has anybody faced these kinds of problems I'm seeing
before, and is willing to help me?".<br>
<br>
That will indeed work much better.<br>
<br>
Additionally, some comment from you revealing that you
have already read the contents of the
/Documentation/Technical folder would be appreciated. Your
first message made me believe you hadn't realized you had
trouble calling an API via FFI. But Jon's answer doesn't
tell you that, and assumes you already know that. Your
following message makes me now believe that you know that
the problem may be "how to reference a lib path in the
Open Smalltalk VM", indeed being aware that this is a
problem with FFI.<br>
<br>
Once you realize that, you may also realize that this
problem has almost nothing to do with Cuis Smalltalk. A
bit of googling shows people asking similar (but better
formed) questions in nginx and lua.<br>
<br>
I'm starting to have doubts about your intellectual
honesty while asking these questions. I think the Cuis
community deserves better than this. </div>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff"> <br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
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<div dir="ltr">---
<div>R. Mark Volkmann
<div>Object Computing, Inc.</div>
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<div dir="ltr"><br>
<blockquote type="cite">On Oct 20, 2024, at 6:26 AM,
Mark Volkmann <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:r.mark.volkmann@gmail.com"
target="_blank"><r.mark.volkmann@gmail.com></a>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> Yikes! Sounds complicated. Can you
point me to any documentation that describes how I
could reference a lib path in the Open Smalltalk
VM?
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Is it possible that nobody that uses Cuis
Smalltalk accesses relational databases?</div>
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