[Cuis-dev] Siren progress and questions (Packages)

[Juan Vuletich]

I'm sure we can improve our tools, and discussing issues and options is 
important.

Still, in this case, I find it valuable to see in the browser that some 
method belongs to a package. It means it can not be freely used, being 
safe only for packages that declare the first as a requisite.

WRT simplicity, yes, it is perhaps the main focus for Cuis itself.

Thanks,

On 12/2/2022 3:41 AM, Stephen Travis Pope via Cuis-dev wrote:
>
> Thanks for this clarification, Luciano!
>
> I have to say, though (sorry), that it’s unacceptable, since the 
> system is supposed to be “easily discoverable,” and forcing classes to 
> have a load of unnecessary method categories (AKA protocols) (like the 
> current system’s “CampSmalltalk” protocols) makes it harder for 
> newbies to learn it.  Should a popular system class (e.g., 
> OrderedCollection) now have 5 “XXX-printing” protocols for the 
> different packages that the user has installed?  Is there another 
> option?  Should we build a package manager that allows one to browse 
> the system and drag’n’drop categories, classes and methods into a package?
>
> Sorry to be critical, but I was one of the first people (1987-94) to 
> teach Smalltalk on a larger scale to paying customers, so simplicity 
> is important…
>
> stp
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>> On Dec 1, 2022, at 9:47 PM, Luciano Notarfrancesco via Cuis-dev 
>> <cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Stephen,
>> A package can overwrite a method in a system class or in a class from 
>> other package it depends on. For example if you package name is 
>> ‘Siren’ you have to put the new method in a message category starting 
>> with ‘*siren’, such as ‘*siren-printing’, etc (or ‘*Siren-printing’, 
>> case doesn’t matter).
>>
>> On Fri, 2 Dec 2022 at 10:30 Stephen Travis Pope via Cuis-dev 
>> <cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st <mailto:cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     Oh, I forgot one other question: Is there a way to merge
>>     packages, or are they bound to system class categories?
>>
>>     Siren has many categories, and the Package tool implies that
>>     merge/delete is an option.  It’d be great if one could select
>>     multiple packages and merge them.
>>
>>     I did figure out that I can make one package that has the all
>>     other categories in its group as prerequisites.
>>
>>     How does one add random system class changes to a package?
>>
>>     Is it possible to make a package with a class that’s in a system
>>     category (i.e., one with other classes in it that aren’t in the
>>     package)?
>>
>>     …any replies appreciated…
>>
>>     stp
>>
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>>     Stephen Travis Pope    Ojai,California, USA
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