[Cuis-dev] [Ann] First sketch of Cuis 6.1 release - Please REVIEW and TEST!

Sun Dec 24 10:20:58 PST 2023

Hi folks!

I didn't have the chance to test this yet.
I have one question: will this distribution log things to the all-in-one
folder?

I believe this is important for newcomers, in case they find any issues and
need to send those to the mailing list.

Cheers,
Nico PM

On Sun, Dec 24, 2023 at 3:03 PM Hilaire Fernandes via Cuis-dev <
cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st> wrote:

> Hi Juan & al,
>
> I am just catching up.
>
> This is always a good idea to ease the start-up experience to new Cuis-Smalltalk
> users. I am sure it will have important impact. I tested on Ubuntu 23.10,
> it  works smoothly.
>
> Regarding all-in-one application, I have been using it a lot in the past
> with Dr. Geo, then at some point stopped using it. I stopped for technical
> reasons, but then I realized there were also end user reasons to stop using
> it.
>
> Indeed, it adds complexity that does not serve the end user. For example,
> a Linux user will see VM, scripts for the Windows user. Will this Linux
> user uses this same folder structure to execute Cuis on a Windows machine?
> No, because he's using Linux. Then it does not scale very well. Will you
> add VM for Linux on Arm, on RiscV? Then we can argue the same with image,
> why both 64bits and 32bits, the end user will only use one variant of it.
>
> The truth about all-in-one application is it makes the life easier for the
> developers and people deploying end-user applications, like me with DrGeo.
> You just need to upload one package and that's it. In a such momentum, we
> should realize it is not a good sign, we are not serving the end-user
> first, but ourself.
>
> What will be make life easier for end user is an archive to download
> containing the VM and the image it needs. That's it.
>
> I will use your CuisExperiment as a base to automate the building of
> Cuis-Smalltalk distributions with various combination of VM binary and
> image (32|64 bits). You will have MacIntel, MacARM, Windows, LinuxIntel,
> LinuxArm, LinuxRiscV associated with appropriate image and VM. Does not
> Github offer service to automate packages built? I have just migrated DrGeo
> repository to Github, I will take a look to that (
> https://github.com/hilaire/drgeo).
>
> Then you will have a set up that could scale more easily to any additional
> needs like embedded system. And you will be free to arrange the
> distribution in a way that fit the host (Mac is a bit special)
>
> I feel it could also add visibility to Cuis-Smalltalk to have these
> different distributions, it will talk more specifically to the end user and
> will have a wow effect. Compare all-in-one and LinuxIntel64 names. The
> later one is crystal clear, not the former one.
>
> Regarding the current folder structure, I will try to hide the complexity
> a bit more. I will have only two top level folders. To illustrate, this is
> what a Linux user sees when entering the DrGeo app folder:
>
> DrGeo
> ├── ChangeLog
> ├── DrGeo.sh
> ├── License.txt
> ├── README
> ├── Resources
> ├── transcript.txt
> └── VM
>
> Even the VM should not be visible to be honest. It should be moved in the
> Resources folder.
>
> Nevertheless, all-in-one distribution will be already an important
> progress and of course my opinion can be completely discarded without harm.
>
> Have a nice day.
>
> Hilaire
> Le 24/12/2023 à 13:28, Juan Vuletich via Cuis-dev a écrit :
>
>
> The upcoming 6.1 release will be the first of a new series of releases.
> We'll be doing a "stable release" that will later only include critical
> fixes, every six months. This will be done in addition to our usual rolling
> release, and it will follow the RedHat Linux release process.
>
> The stable releases are intended for:
> - People who don't want to deal with constant updates and breakage, and
> prefer to port their code to a new system from time to time.
> - Building End User Applications.
> - Casual users, who just want to take a look at Cuis.
> - People new to Smalltalk.
> - Students who will be using Smalltalk for a semester.
>
> For many of these use cases, I want to include only consistently high
> quality code. So every package included needs to be currently in use,
> tested, well maintained, etc. We'll need to work out a way to deal with
> additional packages, from Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev repo, other repos from
> Cuis-Smalltalk organization, and other repos outside of it. This is just an
> initial version. It will grow.
>
> Thanks,
>
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