[Cuis-dev] Dynabook and education

[Hernan Wilkinson]

Hi Hilaire,
 what you say in your post, that constructivism focuses on the children and
not the teacher, is a criticism I read a few months ago about Logo and
Papert's ideas, and I think they are about right. (paper: Hackers,
Computers, and Cooperation:
A Critical History of Logo and Constructionist Learning)
 The "solution" must include both, the children and the teachers... Maybe
focusing more on the teachers will help the childrens?
 Also, not all children share the same interest about science, art, reading
and so on, so it is difficult to think of a solution for all... for
example, I'm not sure that teaching programming to all kids is a good idea,
it looks nice in theory but I remember when we had programming classes at
high school, 99% of the students did not care about it, did not understand
it, did not like it at all... the same with math for some group of kids or
biology for another group and so on.
 I think sometimes we think a solution for all and that may not exist, and
sometimes I also think we are a little bit naive about what teachers and
students want...
 Just a few words to add confusion to the matter :-)

Cheers!
Hernan.


On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 6:03 AM Thierry Goubier via Cuis-dev <
cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st> wrote:

> Le lun. 15 juin 2020 à 10:09, Hilaire Fernandes via Cuis-dev
> <cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st> a écrit :
> >
> > Le 13/06/2020 à 17:10, Thierry Goubier via Cuis-dev a écrit :
> > > This reminds me of the Hypermedia system I did in Parcplace Smalltalk
> > > in 1993, to study navigation in hypermedias (one publication...) for
> > > my MAS degree. Reusing HotDraw and MVC widgets embedding inside the
> > > text editor (MVC widgets inside HotDraw, too, even if I think I
> > > cheated on that one).
> >
> > Any paper to share? I am collecting materials for ideas.
>
> I look if I can get a version of the paper (presented at ErgoIA'94).
> It's in french, so that should be ok to you :). Does not describe how
> it was implemented, if I remember correctly.
>
> > > Morphic should allow that to be a lot easier, but the text support is
> > > no better than it was in the 1990's (i.e. we don't have a text editor
> > > component that is Morphic all the way down).
> > >
> > > Nowadays, I'd be interested by someone who has a concept for
> > > hypermedia live programming (i.e. allowing a computation to start on a
> > > page, and use that computation context for the following alternatives
> > > pages in a wiki like setup) even if I think nowadays that teaching
> > > programming is shortsighted...
> >
> > I think programming is something we are all interested, but we want it
> > to be mixed in media as you described it
>
> My view on programming is that we should be considering that:
>
> - writing ourselves core algorithms means getting them wrong most of the
> time.
> - writing ourselves core algorithms makes the optimising task of a
> compiler exponentially hard
> - writing ourselves core algorithms makes the parallelising task of a
> compiler exponentially exponentially hard
> - most of the code we write is a copy/paste of another code / with
> often not even name changes
> - good algorithms for our problems are non obvious and require a lot of
> research
>
> Now, what should we teach?
>
> > Teaching programming (in secondary) is a never ending story: in 70-80's
> > it was the Holy Grail, then in the 90's it was considered irrelevant in
> > favor of ICT, then toward the end of the 2000's it becomes again the
> > Holy Grail thanks to the Scratch advent. So we have 15-20 years phase
> > each time.
>
> I believe Scratch made a very significant contribution (I still
> remember what was "visual programming" before Scratch :( ). Smalltalk
> is still a very significant contribution too.
>
> > Likely the right position could be in between.
>
> I agree...
>
> Regards,
>
> Thierry
>
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