[Cuis-dev] Is anyone working on Morphic-free Cuis?

[Juan Vuletich]

Hi Luciano,

On 4/22/2022 3:00 AM, Luciano Notarfrancesco via Cuis-dev wrote:
> Hi Stephen,
> I think Morphic will continue evolving in Cuis.
>
> Morphs could be lightweight too, for example (thinking out loud) it 
> might make sense to have a superclass ProtoMorph for lightweight 
> morphs with no submorphs and no properties, etc. Not sure if at some 
> point it will make sense to make the dot in i a morph, but it’s not 
> impossible. Many years ago in Squeak I had morphs with thousands of 
> submorphs and it worked fine, I made a 3D earth with submorphs for 
> airplanes, earthquakes, volcanos, etc, with real-time data I retrieved 
> from the web… I had to use quadtrees to make it fast tho, but it was 
> not hard.

Is the code for this freely available? This sounds reallly cool!

>
> Also, you don’t need to make every display object a morph, as Juan 
> already pointed out, just like TextMorph doesn’t add a morph per 
> character or stroke, and I’m guessing right now you don’t have a view 
> for each music event, right?
>
> Anyway the main problem might be that you just don’t like Morphic, and 
> that’s fine too, it’s always nice to have alternatives and it would be 
> great if someone ported some MVC framework to Cuis.
>
>
> About morphs with thousands of submorphs
>
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 at 1:00 AM stephen--- via Cuis-dev 
> <cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st <mailto:cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st>> wrote:
>
>
>     Hi again all,
>
>     Yeah, I’m still tracking Cuis, and loving the lack of bloat.
>
>     My issues with Morphic are that it’s not MVC and it’s not
>     well-designed.
>
>     First, views and controllers are merged, which hurts reusability
>     of components and hinders the development of new interaction
>     methods like multi-touch screens or voice input.
>
>     Second, the base classes (Morph et al.) are pretty heavy-weight;
>     Morph has 6 instance variables, and you’re up to 10 or more by the
>     time you get to the interesting classes.  This makes it hell on
>     the garbage collector for complex UIs (like music notation) where
>     you might have thousands of display objects on the screen, and
>     want to scroll or page quickly.
>
>     I really want to port my Music framework (Siren =
>     https://github.com/stpope/Siren9) off of VisualWorks, but I refuse
>     to use Morphic, so I’m looking at the new UI frameworks being
>     built in Pharo.  Pharo is way bloated, though, which is why I was
>     hoping somebody was porting Sparta/Block/Brick to Cuis...
>
>     Keep up the great work!
>
>     Stephen
>
>
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>
>>     On Apr 20, 2022, at 6:43 PM, Juan Vuletich via Cuis-dev
>>     <cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st <mailto:cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi Stephen
>>
>>     Nice to see you around!
>>
>>     On 4/20/2022 8:00 PM, stephen--- via Cuis-dev wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hello Cuis-dev!
>>>
>>>     Is anyone working on Morphic-free Cuis, i.e., porting the
>>>     Sparta/Block/Brick work in order to make a new GUI framework
>>>     available?  I’ve been looking at it in Pharo, and it’s getting
>>>     pretty mature.
>>>
>>
>>     Not that I'm aware of. It would be an interesting project to
>>     learn about!
>>
>>     In any case, what value do you see over Morphic, in particular
>>     for Cuis? I don't know much about Sparta/Block/Brick, and the
>>     README in the repos contain no description about, but just
>>     install instructions.
>>
>>     What's your view / opinion on them? (besides them getting mature)
>>
>>>     stp
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>     Thanks,
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