[Cuis-dev] Siren progress and questions (Packages)
Stephen Travis Pope
stephen at heaveneverywhere.com
Thu Dec 15 11:36:28 PST 2022
Thanks, Juan; I’m for any change that makes it easier for new-comers to learn the class libraries.
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> On Dec 14, 2022, at 6:49 AM, Juan Vuletich via Cuis-dev <cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st> wrote:
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> Hi Stephen,
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> On 12/13/2022 3:47 PM, Stephen Travis Pope via Cuis-dev wrote:
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>> Hello colleagues,
>>
>> Thank you for taking the time to respond and address my concerns.
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>> As one who is new to Cuis, the ease of learning your class library is important to me, and having many method categories (AKA protocols) that don’t follow the traditional naming convention is not at all helpful. Worse, it leads one to browse in “all” mode, which means it takes much longer to find things.
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> Method categories can surely be enhanced in the base image. Of course, contributions are welcome.
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>> The system supports method properties, so why not use these for the package-ID? The browser could of course support them…
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> WRT method categories of methods in packages, it is perfectly possible to use , for instance, '*PackageName-accessing' as a method category. The browser could (at the user request) to show such methods in the regular 'accessing' category. I think this would be a better option.
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> Thanks,
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>> stp
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>> Stephen Travis Pope Ojai, California, USA
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>> http://HeavenEverywhere.com <http://heaveneverywhere.com/>
>> http://FASTLabInc.com <http://fastlabinc.com/>
>> https://vimeo.com/user19434036/videos
>> http://heaveneverywhere.com/Reflections
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>>> On Dec 12, 2022, at 6:46 AM, Juan Vuletich <juan at cuis.st> <mailto:juan at cuis.st> wrote:
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>>> I'm sure we can improve our tools, and discussing issues and options is important.
>>>
>>> Still, in this case, I find it valuable to see in the browser that some method belongs to a package. It means it can not be freely used, being safe only for packages that declare the first as a requisite.
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>>> WRT simplicity, yes, it is perhaps the main focus for Cuis itself.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> On 12/2/2022 3:41 AM, Stephen Travis Pope via Cuis-dev wrote:
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>>>>
>>>> Thanks for this clarification, Luciano!
>>>>
>>>> I have to say, though (sorry), that it’s unacceptable, since the system is supposed to be “easily discoverable,” and forcing classes to have a load of unnecessary method categories (AKA protocols) (like the current system’s “CampSmalltalk” protocols) makes it harder for newbies to learn it. Should a popular system class (e.g., OrderedCollection) now have 5 “XXX-printing” protocols for the different packages that the user has installed? Is there another option? Should we build a package manager that allows one to browse the system and drag’n’drop categories, classes and methods into a package?
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>>>> Sorry to be critical, but I was one of the first people (1987-94) to teach Smalltalk on a larger scale to paying customers, so simplicity is important…
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>>>> stp
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>>>> Stephen Travis Pope Ojai, California, USA
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>>>> http://HeavenEverywhere.com <http://heaveneverywhere.com/>
>>>> http://FASTLabInc.com <http://fastlabinc.com/>
>>>> https://vimeo.com/user19434036/videos
>>>> http://heaveneverywhere.com/Reflections
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 1, 2022, at 9:47 PM, Luciano Notarfrancesco via Cuis-dev <cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st> <mailto:cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Stephen,
>>>>> A package can overwrite a method in a system class or in a class from other package it depends on. For example if you package name is ‘Siren’ you have to put the new method in a message category starting with ‘*siren’, such as ‘*siren-printing’, etc (or ‘*Siren-printing’, case doesn’t matter).
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>>>>> On Fri, 2 Dec 2022 at 10:30 Stephen Travis Pope via Cuis-dev <cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st <mailto:cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st>> wrote:
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>>>>>> Oh, I forgot one other question: Is there a way to merge packages, or are they bound to system class categories?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Siren has many categories, and the Package tool implies that merge/delete is an option. It’d be great if one could select multiple packages and merge them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did figure out that I can make one package that has the all other categories in its group as prerequisites.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How does one add random system class changes to a package?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it possible to make a package with a class that’s in a system category (i.e., one with other classes in it that aren’t in the package)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> …any replies appreciated…
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>>>>>> stp
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>>>>>> Stephen Travis Pope Ojai, California, USA
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>>>>>> http://FASTLabInc.com <http://fastlabinc.com/>
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>>>>>> http://heaveneverywhere.com/Reflections
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