[Cuis-dev] Converting Tonel packages

[Hernan Wilkinson]

Hi Dale!!
 see you at ESUG!, I'm not an expert on Tonel or FileTree but I'd like to
talk about them.

See you there!
Hernan.

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 4:22 PM Phil B via Cuis-dev <cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st>
wrote:

> That's a generous offer and hopefully someone will be attending to take
> you up on it.[1]  In the meantime, a quick search returns what appears to
> be at least a partial summary of FileTree vs Tonel:
> https://github.com/pharo-open-documentation/pharo-wiki/blob/master/General/ExportFormats.md
>
> [1] While it would help ensure a better understanding of how things
> developed, I'm not sure it would actually change anything. There has been
> difference of opinion between the Cuis and Squeak/Pharo communities pretty
> much since day 1 on the subject of package formats, among other things.  My
> take is that the lack of convergence on a common solution is due to
> fundamental philosophical, rather than technical, differences.
>
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 2:50 PM Dale Henrichs via Cuis-dev <
> cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st> wrote:
>
>> I've been following this particular issue and would prefer not to get
>> into an email-based discussion of why tonel/filetree came to be and their
>> relative disadvantages and advantages ...
>>
>> However, I will be at ESUG in Cologne and would love to have a discussion
>> (at a whiteboard) with one or more members of the Cuis community to talk
>> things over and see if there is any common ground to be found ...
>>
>> Dale
>> On 7/31/19 10:18 AM, Phil B via Cuis-dev wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 9:54 AM Juan Vuletich via Cuis-dev <
>> cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st> wrote:
>>
>>> pufff.
>>>
>>> I don't want to even think of how github package diff would look like.
>>>
>>> At least they could use xxx.filetree.st and xxx.tonel.st (like we use
>>> xxx.pck.st and xxx.cs.st). Now it is impossible for tools to tell
>>> whether they are dealing wiht filetree, tonel, or some other smalltalk
>>> format...
>>>
>>>
>> They use .properties files to convey that information.  Actually I think
>> the entire point of these 'exploded' package formats was to make raw
>> method-level diffs pretty... at the cost of making the overall package
>> format quite ugly/cumbersome.   Every time I've had to look at a repo using
>> those formats, I'm happy you went the direction you did with package
>> files.  You prioritized the people using the package files, they continue
>> to prioritize the tools that manipulate them.
>>
>>>
>>>
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