[Cuis-dev] Converting Tonel packages

[Dale Henrichs]

Hernan,

Excellent! It's a date then:)

Dale

On 7/31/19 12:32 PM, Hernan Wilkinson via Cuis-dev wrote:
> Hi Dale!!
>  see you at ESUG!, I'm not an expert on Tonel or FileTree but I'd like 
> to talk about them.
>
> See you there!
> Hernan.
>
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 4:22 PM Phil B via Cuis-dev 
> <cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st <mailto:cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st>> wrote:
>
>     That's a generous offer and hopefully someone will be attending to
>     take you up on it.[1]  In the meantime, a quick search returns
>     what appears to be at least a partial summary of FileTree vs
>     Tonel:
>     https://github.com/pharo-open-documentation/pharo-wiki/blob/master/General/ExportFormats.md
>
>     [1] While it would help ensure a better understanding of how
>     things developed, I'm not sure it would actually change anything.
>     There has been difference of opinion between the Cuis and
>     Squeak/Pharo communities pretty much since day 1 on the subject of
>     package formats, among other things.  My take is that the lack of
>     convergence on a common solution is due to fundamental
>     philosophical, rather than technical, differences.
>
>     On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 2:50 PM Dale Henrichs via Cuis-dev
>     <cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st <mailto:cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st>> wrote:
>
>         I've been following this particular issue and would prefer not
>         to get into an email-based discussion of why tonel/filetree
>         came to be and their relative disadvantages and advantages ...
>
>         However, I will be at ESUG in Cologne and would love to have a
>         discussion (at a whiteboard) with one or more members of the
>         Cuis community to talk things over and see if there is any
>         common ground to be found ...
>
>         Dale
>
>         On 7/31/19 10:18 AM, Phil B via Cuis-dev wrote:
>>         On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 9:54 AM Juan Vuletich via Cuis-dev
>>         <cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st <mailto:cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st>> wrote:
>>
>>             pufff.
>>
>>             I don't want to even think of how github package diff
>>             would look like.
>>
>>             At least they could use xxx.filetree.st
>>             <http://xxx.filetree.st> and xxx.tonel.st
>>             <http://xxx.tonel.st> (like we use
>>             xxx.pck.st <http://xxx.pck.st> and xxx.cs.st
>>             <http://xxx.cs.st>). Now it is impossible for tools to tell
>>             whether they are dealing wiht filetree, tonel, or some
>>             other smalltalk
>>             format...
>>
>>
>>         They use .properties files to convey that information. 
>>         Actually I think the entire point of these 'exploded' package
>>         formats was to make raw method-level diffs pretty... at the
>>         cost of making the overall package format quite
>>         ugly/cumbersome.   Every time I've had to look at a repo
>>         using those formats, I'm happy you went the direction you did
>>         with package files. You prioritized the people using the
>>         package files, they continue to prioritize the tools that
>>         manipulate them.
>>
>>
>>
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