[Cuis-dev] Converting Tonel packages

Dale Henrichs dale.henrichs at gemtalksystems.com
Wed Jul 31 12:43:04 PDT 2019

It is exactly the philosophical argument that I want to avoid via 
email:) ... but I do want to understand the philosophical differences 
and for that I think a whiteboard discussion is called for:)


On 7/31/19 12:21 PM, Phil B wrote:
> That's a generous offer and hopefully someone will be attending to 
> take you up on it.[1]  In the meantime, a quick search returns what 
> appears to be at least a partial summary of FileTree vs Tonel: 
> https://github.com/pharo-open-documentation/pharo-wiki/blob/master/General/ExportFormats.md
> [1] While it would help ensure a better understanding of how things 
> developed, I'm not sure it would actually change anything. There has 
> been difference of opinion between the Cuis and Squeak/Pharo 
> communities pretty much since day 1 on the subject of package formats, 
> among other things.  My take is that the lack of convergence on a 
> common solution is due to fundamental philosophical, rather than 
> technical, differences.
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 2:50 PM Dale Henrichs via Cuis-dev 
> <cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st <mailto:cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st>> wrote:
>     I've been following this particular issue and would prefer not to
>     get into an email-based discussion of why tonel/filetree came to
>     be and their relative disadvantages and advantages ...
>     However, I will be at ESUG in Cologne and would love to have a
>     discussion (at a whiteboard) with one or more members of the Cuis
>     community to talk things over and see if there is any common
>     ground to be found ...
>     Dale
>     On 7/31/19 10:18 AM, Phil B via Cuis-dev wrote:
>>     On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 9:54 AM Juan Vuletich via Cuis-dev
>>     <cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st <mailto:cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st>> wrote:
>>         pufff.
>>         I don't want to even think of how github package diff would
>>         look like.
>>         At least they could use xxx.filetree.st
>>         <http://xxx.filetree.st> and xxx.tonel.st
>>         <http://xxx.tonel.st> (like we use
>>         xxx.pck.st <http://xxx.pck.st> and xxx.cs.st
>>         <http://xxx.cs.st>). Now it is impossible for tools to tell
>>         whether they are dealing wiht filetree, tonel, or some other
>>         smalltalk
>>         format...
>>     They use .properties files to convey that information.  Actually
>>     I think the entire point of these 'exploded' package formats was
>>     to make raw method-level diffs pretty... at the cost of making
>>     the overall package format quite ugly/cumbersome.  Every time
>>     I've had to look at a repo using those formats, I'm happy you
>>     went the direction you did with package files.  You prioritized
>>     the people using the package files, they continue to prioritize
>>     the tools that manipulate them.
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