[Cuis-dev] Converting Tonel packages

[Juan Vuletich]

Thanks Dale for the offer, and thanks Hernán for accepting it. I won't 
be attending ESUG, but I'm sure you'll have a nice and useful talk.

Cheers,

On 7/31/2019 5:26 PM, Dale Henrichs via Cuis-dev wrote:
>
> haha! let's call it an appointment then:)
>
> Dale
>
> On 7/31/19 12:56 PM, Hernan Wilkinson wrote:
>> well well well, even I do admire you and so on, I would not call it a 
>> date 😜😜
>> (we are starting to have fun!!)
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 4:44 PM Dale Henrichs via Cuis-dev 
>> <cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st <mailto:cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hernan,
>>
>>     Excellent! It's a date then:)
>>
>>     Dale
>>
>>     On 7/31/19 12:32 PM, Hernan Wilkinson via Cuis-dev wrote:
>>>     Hi Dale!!
>>>      see you at ESUG!, I'm not an expert on Tonel or FileTree but
>>>     I'd like to talk about them.
>>>
>>>     See you there!
>>>     Hernan.
>>>
>>>     On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 4:22 PM Phil B via Cuis-dev
>>>     <cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st <mailto:cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         That's a generous offer and hopefully someone will be
>>>         attending to take you up on it.[1]  In the meantime, a quick
>>>         search returns what appears to be at least a partial summary
>>>         of FileTree vs Tonel:
>>>         https://github.com/pharo-open-documentation/pharo-wiki/blob/master/General/ExportFormats.md
>>>
>>>         [1] While it would help ensure a better understanding of how
>>>         things developed, I'm not sure it would actually change
>>>         anything. There has been difference of opinion between the
>>>         Cuis and Squeak/Pharo communities pretty much since day 1 on
>>>         the subject of package formats, among other things.  My take
>>>         is that the lack of convergence on a common solution is due
>>>         to fundamental philosophical, rather than technical,
>>>         differences.
>>>
>>>         On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 2:50 PM Dale Henrichs via Cuis-dev
>>>         <cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st <mailto:cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             I've been following this particular issue and would
>>>             prefer not to get into an email-based discussion of why
>>>             tonel/filetree came to be and their relative
>>>             disadvantages and advantages ...
>>>
>>>             However, I will be at ESUG in Cologne and would love to
>>>             have a discussion (at a whiteboard) with one or more
>>>             members of the Cuis community to talk things over and
>>>             see if there is any common ground to be found ...
>>>
>>>             Dale
>>>
>>>             On 7/31/19 10:18 AM, Phil B via Cuis-dev wrote:
>>>>             On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 9:54 AM Juan Vuletich via
>>>>             Cuis-dev <cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st
>>>>             <mailto:cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                 pufff.
>>>>
>>>>                 I don't want to even think of how github package
>>>>                 diff would look like.
>>>>
>>>>                 At least they could use xxx.filetree.st
>>>>                 <http://xxx.filetree.st> and xxx.tonel.st
>>>>                 <http://xxx.tonel.st> (like we use
>>>>                 xxx.pck.st <http://xxx.pck.st> and xxx.cs.st
>>>>                 <http://xxx.cs.st>). Now it is impossible for tools
>>>>                 to tell
>>>>                 whether they are dealing wiht filetree, tonel, or
>>>>                 some other smalltalk
>>>>                 format...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             They use .properties files to convey that information. 
>>>>             Actually I think the entire point of these 'exploded'
>>>>             package formats was to make raw method-level diffs
>>>>             pretty... at the cost of making the overall package
>>>>             format quite ugly/cumbersome.   Every time I've had to
>>>>             look at a repo using those formats, I'm happy you went
>>>>             the direction you did with package files.  You
>>>>             prioritized the people using the package files, they
>>>>             continue to prioritize the tools that manipulate them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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