[Cuis-dev] Converting Tonel packages

[Hernan Wilkinson]

well well well, even I do admire you and so on, I would not call it a
date 😜😜
(we are starting to have fun!!)

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 4:44 PM Dale Henrichs via Cuis-dev <
cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st> wrote:

> Hernan,
>
> Excellent! It's a date then:)
>
> Dale
> On 7/31/19 12:32 PM, Hernan Wilkinson via Cuis-dev wrote:
>
> Hi Dale!!
>  see you at ESUG!, I'm not an expert on Tonel or FileTree but I'd like to
> talk about them.
>
> See you there!
> Hernan.
>
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 4:22 PM Phil B via Cuis-dev <
> cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st> wrote:
>
>> That's a generous offer and hopefully someone will be attending to take
>> you up on it.[1]  In the meantime, a quick search returns what appears to
>> be at least a partial summary of FileTree vs Tonel:
>> https://github.com/pharo-open-documentation/pharo-wiki/blob/master/General/ExportFormats.md
>>
>> [1] While it would help ensure a better understanding of how things
>> developed, I'm not sure it would actually change anything. There has been
>> difference of opinion between the Cuis and Squeak/Pharo communities pretty
>> much since day 1 on the subject of package formats, among other things.  My
>> take is that the lack of convergence on a common solution is due to
>> fundamental philosophical, rather than technical, differences.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 2:50 PM Dale Henrichs via Cuis-dev <
>> cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been following this particular issue and would prefer not to get
>>> into an email-based discussion of why tonel/filetree came to be and their
>>> relative disadvantages and advantages ...
>>>
>>> However, I will be at ESUG in Cologne and would love to have a
>>> discussion (at a whiteboard) with one or more members of the Cuis community
>>> to talk things over and see if there is any common ground to be found ...
>>>
>>> Dale
>>> On 7/31/19 10:18 AM, Phil B via Cuis-dev wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 9:54 AM Juan Vuletich via Cuis-dev <
>>> cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st> wrote:
>>>
>>>> pufff.
>>>>
>>>> I don't want to even think of how github package diff would look like.
>>>>
>>>> At least they could use xxx.filetree.st and xxx.tonel.st (like we use
>>>> xxx.pck.st and xxx.cs.st). Now it is impossible for tools to tell
>>>> whether they are dealing wiht filetree, tonel, or some other smalltalk
>>>> format...
>>>>
>>>>
>>> They use .properties files to convey that information.  Actually I think
>>> the entire point of these 'exploded' package formats was to make raw
>>> method-level diffs pretty... at the cost of making the overall package
>>> format quite ugly/cumbersome.   Every time I've had to look at a repo using
>>> those formats, I'm happy you went the direction you did with package
>>> files.  You prioritized the people using the package files, they continue
>>> to prioritize the tools that manipulate them.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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*Hernán WilkinsonAgile Software Development, Teaching & Coaching*
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