[Cuis-dev] Converting Tonel packages

[Dale Henrichs]

haha! let's call it an appointment then:)

Dale

On 7/31/19 12:56 PM, Hernan Wilkinson wrote:
> well well well, even I do admire you and so on, I would not call it a 
> date 😜😜
> (we are starting to have fun!!)
>
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 4:44 PM Dale Henrichs via Cuis-dev 
> <cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st <mailto:cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st>> wrote:
>
>     Hernan,
>
>     Excellent! It's a date then:)
>
>     Dale
>
>     On 7/31/19 12:32 PM, Hernan Wilkinson via Cuis-dev wrote:
>>     Hi Dale!!
>>      see you at ESUG!, I'm not an expert on Tonel or FileTree but I'd
>>     like to talk about them.
>>
>>     See you there!
>>     Hernan.
>>
>>     On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 4:22 PM Phil B via Cuis-dev
>>     <cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st <mailto:cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st>> wrote:
>>
>>         That's a generous offer and hopefully someone will be
>>         attending to take you up on it.[1]  In the meantime, a quick
>>         search returns what appears to be at least a partial summary
>>         of FileTree vs Tonel:
>>         https://github.com/pharo-open-documentation/pharo-wiki/blob/master/General/ExportFormats.md
>>
>>         [1] While it would help ensure a better understanding of how
>>         things developed, I'm not sure it would actually change
>>         anything. There has been difference of opinion between the
>>         Cuis and Squeak/Pharo communities pretty much since day 1 on
>>         the subject of package formats, among other things.  My take
>>         is that the lack of convergence on a common solution is due
>>         to fundamental philosophical, rather than technical, differences.
>>
>>         On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 2:50 PM Dale Henrichs via Cuis-dev
>>         <cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st <mailto:cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st>> wrote:
>>
>>             I've been following this particular issue and would
>>             prefer not to get into an email-based discussion of why
>>             tonel/filetree came to be and their relative
>>             disadvantages and advantages ...
>>
>>             However, I will be at ESUG in Cologne and would love to
>>             have a discussion (at a whiteboard) with one or more
>>             members of the Cuis community to talk things over and see
>>             if there is any common ground to be found ...
>>
>>             Dale
>>
>>             On 7/31/19 10:18 AM, Phil B via Cuis-dev wrote:
>>>             On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 9:54 AM Juan Vuletich via
>>>             Cuis-dev <cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st
>>>             <mailto:cuis-dev at lists.cuis.st>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 pufff.
>>>
>>>                 I don't want to even think of how github package
>>>                 diff would look like.
>>>
>>>                 At least they could use xxx.filetree.st
>>>                 <http://xxx.filetree.st> and xxx.tonel.st
>>>                 <http://xxx.tonel.st> (like we use
>>>                 xxx.pck.st <http://xxx.pck.st> and xxx.cs.st
>>>                 <http://xxx.cs.st>). Now it is impossible for tools
>>>                 to tell
>>>                 whether they are dealing wiht filetree, tonel, or
>>>                 some other smalltalk
>>>                 format...
>>>
>>>
>>>             They use .properties files to convey that information. 
>>>             Actually I think the entire point of these 'exploded'
>>>             package formats was to make raw method-level diffs
>>>             pretty... at the cost of making the overall package
>>>             format quite ugly/cumbersome.   Every time I've had to
>>>             look at a repo using those formats, I'm happy you went
>>>             the direction you did with package files.  You
>>>             prioritized the people using the package files, they
>>>             continue to prioritize the tools that manipulate them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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